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Monday, November 24, 2008

COST TO NATION


COST TO NATION - DEFENCE / PARA MILITARY FORCE / CIVILIAN OFFICER

Since last few months after the approval of Sixth Pay Commission a lot of discussion has taken place whether few officers from Defence Ranks should be shifted to the next pay grade or not. It has been projected that these officers are now getting lesser pay than the civilian / CPOs who are paid earlier less pay than these Defence Officers. I would like to explain what is the cost to the nation of these officers. In the comparision, I am taking the Rank of Lt. Colonel of Defence Forces because this is the one rank which Defence Forces are stating is being paid less than their civilian counterparts.

Sl.No. Topic Lt.Colonel Commandant Civilian Officer Remarks

01. Basic 26,280 37,400 37,400 The starting basic pay is only Rs. 11,120 less than the other CPO/Civilian officers which are one rank higher than the Lt.Colonel rank.

02. Grade Pay 7,600 8,700 8,700

03. MSP 6,000 NIL NIL After including MSP and GP the difference is only Rs. 5,120

04. Sahayak 15,000 7,500 NIL The Sahayak in the lowest pay band will cost atleast this much considering his present salary, pension and all benefits of Defence services

05. Free Ration 7,500 NIL NIL Minimum expected cost of existing free ration providing 4300 calories per day

06. School Transport 2000x2 NIL NIL Minimum expected cost

07. Free electricity 500 NIL NIL Charge for free units only

08. Canteen facility 2500 NIL NIL Expected benefit to each officer per month including benefit toward cost of liquor

09. House 15000 Nil Nil Expected cost to Nation view entitlement of house to all Military Officers whereas, other CPO/Civilians have to wait in CPWD roster for first 15 years of service.

10. Free Furniture 2000 Nil Nil Expected cost of hiring furniture as entitled to defence officer

11. Railway Discount 3000 Nil Nil All Defence Officers are authorised to avail 06 sets of Form-D to travel Home town

12. KMA 400 300 Nil

13. Medical 2000 Nil Nil All Defence Officers get five star medical treatment at Military Hospitals, whereas, others have to struggle in Govt. hospitals along with the common public

14. Transport 5000 5000 Nil

15. Pension 2000 Nil Nil Only Defence Officers are now authorised for Pension which is stopped for other entries after 04 Jan 2004

2. It can be seen that Lt. Colonel costs about Rs. 98,780/- per month to the nation, whereas, officers senior to him will cost only Rs. 58,900 (CPOs) & Rs. 46,100 (Civilian Director) respectively. The cost of Military officer to the nation is very high, whereas, the productivity is only restricted to country defence. In a developing country like our we require to have more expenditure towards developing departments which brings earning to the nation and upliftment of the 20% poor bretheren below poverty line. Even in the present pay scale the Lt.Colonel costs even more than Cabinet Secretary. Moreover, these Military officers have to be paid pension through out their life which is a very long term expenditure to the nation. In the present circumstances what we require is an efficient bureaucracy, small and well paid Defence services and very effective Police Force.

3. In the era of national development the requirement of effective policing is much more than a big military force. Country should have an agreement with Pakistan and China and all three nations can reduce their military strength by at least 50% if not more.

4. The requirment of day-to-day life should be met with normal state Police with their standby CPO/CPMF Forces to guard the uneventualities and regular patrolling of our borders.

5. The present expenditure of more than 1,00,000 crores on the defence forces if reduced by 50% can give 100% Personal Income-tax rebates to the entire country, one can imagine the benefit of reducing the military strength by 50%. This step itself will increase our country's reputation all around the world. The example of Japan which survived without any defence force since last 60 years are good enough to effect these changes.

6. The world has seen various countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mynmar, Iraq and host of other countries which have failed due to their ruling by strong defence forces. The proven model all around the world is the military reporting to the civil administration. The bureaucracy on the other hand needs to know the requirement of a typical military life.

7. My above comments are in no way criticizing our three respectful Defence forces, which have always shown their capabilities in last 61 years of Independence. The time has come when the Defence services are required to think what is more important to the overall development of the nation and not the individual development of a service or section. The cost of having Lt.Colonel is about Rs.1,00,000 a month and that of other para military / civilian is 50% of this cost. Can a country of ours affords to pay more to these Lt. Colonels is upto the nation to decide.

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

It is very discouraging to see that a poor country like India is paying Rs 01 lakh pm to these Ltcols and still they want more.Will they please getup and show some morale strength.

SUKHI said...

Dear BP Sir,
Once again you indicated the hollow-ness of the claim of Defence forces that they are paid less.Can some Generals look on this data.

Anonymous said...

Too sir jee aap mantey hein kee Ltcol aap sey bada afasar hey

Anonymous said...

Whom are you trying to fool by this utter non sense. Some idiots like you in CPO/civil may belive it.Or your idea is to get some more hits on your blog so as to get some advt?

Wg Cdr said...

Dear Mr BP Singh,
Much as one would like to ignore your dimwit and exceptionally poorly researched blogs I am compelled to react to your rhetoric lest you think that what you write is correct. That the CPO officer cadre is impoverished in thought and intellect is a known fact and perhaps that is why one only sees such poorly researched blogs. Each of the so called perks that you feel that the armed forces enjoy is enjoyed not just by the Lt Col equivalents but by the officer and PBOR cadre in the armed forces across the board. Your justification on sahayaks is incorrect as far as CPO's is concerned since I personally have been offered two sahayaks each from the BSF and the CRPF elements at my base and the respective commandants are willing to attach a much larger retinue as in their words " Saar Hanmari force mein afsar raja ki tarah rahta hain. Sahayaks aur gaadi to afsaron ka haque hai." The same is not true of the army elements located in the vicinity where each unit is hand to mouth and manpower is the most scarce commodity. As far as rations are concerned please I and every armed forces personnel would willingly hand you the entire ration for a fraction of the Rs 7500/- per month. CSD benefits are enjoyed more by you, your kith and kin and your civilian neighbours than most of the serving army personnel. Form D and railway concession forms are given to all army personnel so is there anything special for Lt Cols I dont understand. Truncated tenures, poor housing, far from free electricity and school transport and an exceptionally corrupt MES are the realities of fauji life. If our MHs' are five star it is because we have worked to keep them in shape one and ensured the resources allotted for them are truely used for their maintanance and not misused as in your case. Do I see a touch of envy in your eyes when you see our honesty, integrity and committment in our work. Any takers from your service for the life of a Lt Col? In the bargain we would like your assured career progression, service conditions, allowances, stability and choice of residence, sahayaks and misuse of vehicles, length of service upto 60 yrs and retirement benefits. And of course would love to check out your ill-begotten assets.


"In the era of national development the requirement of effective policing is much more than a big military force. Country should have an agreement with Pakistan and China and all three nations can reduce their military strength by at least 50% if not more."

And pray how do you intend achieving what you have stated above without credible military might. The last time you tried it the Chinese gave you a drubbing of your life and the Pakis have been stepping on your B**** ever since. The bane of our nation is that the national security issues are in the hands of police and civilian bureaucrats who have no understanding of geopolitics and miltary history.

So dear MR Singh while I can go on and on about each of your unworthy observations, my advice to you is that either you educate yourself on matters military or refrain from writing trash just for the sake of writing and keep your honour intact.

KK said...

DEAR WINCO SIR,BP SAHAB KO CHORI CHAKARI SE FURSAT MILE TO BECHARE KUCHCH PADEN LIKHE.YEH ACTUALLY MEIN DESH KI JADEN KHODNE,AIYYASHI KARNE(DESH KE PAISE PE)AUR KAMCHORI MEIN BAHUUUUT BUSY HEIN INHEN MAAF KAR DIJIYE.THE POOR GUY HAS, WITH GREAT DIFFICULTY,COLLECTED SOME STUPID INFORMATION AND WANTS TO IMPRESS THE WORLD AT THE EXPENCE OF THOSE FAUJIS BECAUSE OF WHOME HE IS NON PRODUCTIVE(LET US REMOVE THE FAUJ PAKIS WILL ENSURE PRODUCTION FROM HIM!!).

KK said...

DEAR BP JEEEE,I AM A FAUJI WORKING IN A CIVIL SETUP AND KNOW VERY WELL HOW THEY (DO NOT) WORK.OUT OF MEASELY 8 HRS OF WORK PER DAY THEY ARE FOUND IN THEIR WORK PLACE FOR LESS THAN 50% OF THE TIME AND OUT OF THAT ALSO MOST OF IT THEY SPEND ON FURTHERENCE OF THEIR OWN INTERESTS.WHEREAS A STUPID FAUJI IS MADE TO SLOG THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND NIGHT AND HE DOES EVEN THAT HONESTLY AND SINCERELY.ACTUALLY THIS NATION DOES NOT DESERVE SUCH A FAUJ.I WISH AND PRAY THAT THE FAUJ STARTS WORKING LIKE CIVIL ORGANISATIONS/POLICE/BSF.THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY WILL REALSIE THE WORTH OF FAUJ.THEN THE FAUJ WILL TAKE MONEY FROM PAKIS AND ALLOW THEM TO COME INSIDE,LOOT/KILL AND GO BACK (AS OUR WORTHY BSF IS DOING PRESENTLY FOR FACILITATING SMUGGLING AND DRUG TRAFFIKING OR LIKE POLICE IS DOING FOR ALL THE MATTERS THEY DEAL WITH).

Anonymous said...

Dear Wg Cdr& KK,
The fact remains that fauji are over fed and time has come to remove them from other organisations like MES,DRDO,ORDIANCE FACTORIES and host of other civil depts to save tons of govt money.If the calculation is correct saving of Rs50000/-on each officer will save these civil organisations.

Anonymous said...

I do agree let us remove Army out of MES IMMEDIATLY

Anonymous said...

Dear BP Singh,
I feel you are not aware of so many more freebees these faujis are taking ,allsports,swimming pools,low school fees in APS, Addmissions to colleges (Eng&Med) they have quota(and they talk of quotas of ST/SC/OBC SHAME),no toll tax, It is not 01 lakh but 1.5 lakh or more

Anonymous said...

Mr BP Singh,
Please get your transfer to MOF, Mr Chindram will be too happy to see this detail and deny our demand.Since when we had started equating security with money.

KK said...

dear anonymus,u r absolutely right.this country should do away with the fauj.it will cost lot of saving for all of u guys to eat as ghoos.India is a big economic power and there is just no need for any fauj.what it needs is corrupt babus,police and netas.Pl let all faujis be forcibly retired it will give everyone huge satisfaction,incl the faujis who r sick giving there lives for people like u.

Anonymous said...

Dear KK,
If the fauji are so clean and pious then why Army HQs is not giving correct reply to RTI details on AWHO/AWWA/AWES as asked by Maj(Retd)G Choudhary.Officers in lower rank dont get chance so they call themself clean ,but the officer when in LP leave no chance to earn money. Please check all officers in mixed organisations.

Anonymous said...

i think we should not use bad words for any other organisation as was used by Mr KK, to defend his skin.

Harry said...

@ Mr BP Singh and his Tribe

Well...if the service in Military was soo well paying (as U are making it out to be) then pl answer the following:-

Why are quality and talented youngsters NOT opting for Military as a career, even though it is well known fact that more than 13000 officers' vacancies exist in Armed Forces?

Why are so many officers lining up to quit despite Military service being "seemingly lucrative" as is being made out by people like You?

And then we talk of emergence of India as future economic giant with so much promise! Are U naive enough to think that world will take U seriously if U are militarily weak?

If this nation indeed thinks that military is NOT required, then so be it! Seeing how UNGRATEFUL the citizens of Mother India have become, every soldier would think twice before laying down his life in line of duty and making the supreme sacrifice!!

With Military gone, then there would be NOBODY to "keep the pants on" of civil admin everytime there are riots,floods,earthquakes, accidents and disasters..for that matter even children falling in borewells would only be expected to be saved by prayers!!

Pl think hard before you indulge in such RABBLE ROUSING !!

And yes if U have any doubts about inter service (i.e between Armed Forces and Civil Service) grade/rank equivalence pls see the undermentioned link giving comparision table as per 5th PC. (Lets NOT talk of 6th PC, 'cos things are, as it is, under review at highest level).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8353154/Comparison-Table-5th-6th-Cpc

PS:- BTW, Mr Singh I just observed that ur single point agenda seems to be opposing Military.Why are U so "Inferiority Complex Struck" dear? Pl do something constructive for ur own organisation rather than running down Armed Forces. What does this convey to others about ur own mindset? Think again!

Anonymous said...

Absolute Cock & Bull Story
You are fooling yourself and living in a Fools' paradise, go ahead its your world its your life. You do not seem to know the meaning of "Basics", that's a conclusion any person would conclude after reading your story. Rs 7500/- for ration Ha Ha Ha, what a Great Joke, you proved that you are a Sardar !!I know my comments would be deleted, if not, atleast thanx for that

Anonymous said...

Anony@25Nov 3;51PM,
Wake up dear fauji jee ration cost is much more than 7500/- did you forgot cost involved in running ASC which does purchase and distribution of ration. Have some commonsence he is talking of cost to nation and not its market value as same is done by your own officers like LtGen Dal wala, do you need some more examples why your ration cost is so high

Anonymous said...

mr bp
I have selected officers for coast guard for three years.Most of the selected candidates used to be 4/5 times ssb rejected candidates since hardly any good candidate used to come to DIPR for selection.if you have any doubt; please check with your personnel departmet in your coastguard headquarters.Your highly biased and ill informed comments against Armed Forces are reflection of your frustations due to failures in SSB.Grow up and get matured in life and stop spreading rumors.

Samby said...

Dear BP and all the anti fauji anons

I am a Fauji and with you abolish the Fauj. And we will ensure you will loose your job. B'coz even today fauji has the capability to take your Job
My Friend MES Your Job is secured b'coz there is Fauj. Imagine removing "Military" from MES where do you stand.
And similar other organisations who are daring to abolish the fauj. My request to the Govt si please abolish Defence Forces for better of this Nation as CONCEIVED by these illitrates like BP singh and MES DRDO etc. Lets remove this word Defence and Military from dictionar y of "Mera Bharat Mahan sau me se Nyanve beimaan"
Thanks CPOS?DRDO?MES?

Jai Bharat Jai Kisan No Jawan

Anonymous said...

@mr bp singh


from your details it is clearly seen that you are just not aware of the realities of what all we are getting kindly interact with some army officer he will tell you the facts.
for example where from you have taken the data that the ration is worth 7500
dear every day any body is just authorized just 45 or less.which means just around 1300 rs a months similarly
the csd items are not free and there is a limit one can use even if i use 10,000 rs for csd then also just max 10% is subsidised on an average so just 1000 is saved
similarly for the other facilities

if you want to ask for cpmf you can ask for it but do'nt give the wrong datas

Anonymous said...

Armed forces of india are the BEST and they deserve the best.case closeed.

Anonymous said...

Dear BP Singh,
1. A very poor research showing total ignorance on any related subject.
2. It appears that you just wanted to put something on the blog to garner support from your near and dear ones.
3. God bless the organisation to which such immature person is employed with.

Anonymous said...

@BP
ARE YOU BY ANY CHANCE AN Ex EC OFFICER OR AN SSB FAILURE.

Anonymous said...

@B P Singh
You should have put in more efforts to gather the correct data about defence services officers and Lt Cols and equivalent in particular.

1. Free ration which is across the board is less than a thousand rupees per month @ Rs 33/- per day.

2. An IAF Wg Cdr or a Naval Commander doesn't enjoy the facility of free transport unlike a BSF/CRPF commandant or an IAS Director for their wife and children as well.

3. School transport for the child of a LT Col or any Defence Officer is on payment to the School for the services provided by the school.

4. An IAF Wg Cdr/ Naval Commander or any officer for that matter is not provided with a Sahayak unlike an IAS Director, an IPS officer or an officer from CPO(BSF/CRPF etc)who have class IV employees and constables(Home guards) varying from 2 to 12 in number working in their houses.

5. Houses allotted to defence officers are on payment of house rent which is decent for a poorly maintained house by MES, whereas the bunglow for DMs and SPs are rent free.

6. Only 100 units of electricity is free across the board ( Not only for Lt Cols and equivalent)whereas the average electricty of a defence Lt Col and equivalent varies between Rs1500 to Rs3000 PM unlike a BSF and CRPF officer who stays in ITIs, Colleges, Schools and Circuit Houses to name a few and all free of cost

7. CSD benefits are enjoyed more by officers and personnel from CPOs, their kith and kin and their civilian neighbours than most of the serving defence personnel.

8. Though MH/BH facilities are there but an IAS Director, an IPS officer have the facilities of 100%medical reimbursement after getting themselves treated in the best of Hospitals, whereas CPOs have equally good hgospital(Headed by DIGs)with specialist at all the major cities of the country.

The question here is not of money and your unauthorized previleges but of parity of status. We are still happy with what we have provided we regain our parity which has been wrongly taken away.but at the same time would you care to swap your assured career progression, service conditions, allowances, stability, choice of residence, sahayaks, misuse of vehicles, length of service upto 60 yrs and post retirement previleges with Lt Cols & equivalent of Defence Forces.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr BP Singh
I think either you are not in the know of things or you have been totally misguided by god only knows which emotion. I will not be commenting on the first three points as they are as recommended by the pay commission and are controversial as it is and will be resolved any way. But I will definitely put into place the misconceptions you all ill informed gentle men have.
01. Basic 26,280 37,400 37,400 The starting basic pay is only Rs. 11,120 less than the other CPO/Civilian officers which are one rank higher than the Lt.Colonel rank.
02. Grade Pay 7,600 8,700 8,700
03. MSP 6,000 NIL NIL After including MSP and GP the difference is only Rs. 5,120
04. Sahayak 15,000 7,500 NIL The Sahayak in the lowest pay band will cost atleast this much considering his present salary, pension and all benefits of Defence services
Truth: Sahayaks are not akin to the Bungalow peon and other government paid domestic help. Sahayaks t are primarily meant for care of the officers uniform and weapon so the leader has the time to dwell on the operational matters, secondly officers in airforce and navy do not have sahayaks and believe you me Lt Col equivalents are there in these two forces as well in case you did not know it. Please do not demean a combatant by calling them sahayaks as you perceive your sahayaks to be they are buddies and dependable confidant.
05. Free Ration 7,500 NIL NIL Minimum expected cost of existing free ration providing 4300 calories per day
Truth: free rations are not a new inclusion in this pay commission and Lt Cols are not the only ones getting it every combatant irrespective of rank gets it and at the same rate which incidentally does not happen to be 7500, please check your facts before you utter them the justification for the same is available in the deliberations of 4th pay commission please go through it its available for all to read and it will bring forth many other anomalies which still need to be reverted if the forces so desire to take up. Also please get posted to the outlandish places we go and buy your rations feed your self and them look for justification for this facility.
06. School Transport 2000x2 NIL NIL Minimum expected cost
Truth: would you be kind enough to provide us with the govt order to that effect we would love to claim it if so authorized secondly will you also be kind enough to provide the authority for the BSF,CRPF and other CMPF forces busses and gypsies standing in front of the army navy and air force schools during the whole time of the school obviously they are not for the benefit of the Lt Cols children if so thanks a lot.
07. Free electricity 500 NIL NIL Charge for free units only
Truth: have you checked the fact? Don’t propagate wrong information for cheap popularity or to merely prove a point to cover frustration represent your case as we have done in the manner we have done and you too can bring forth the raw deals you are suffering in the hands of who should not be named.
08. Canteen facility 2500 NIL NIL Expected benefit to each officer per month including benefit toward cost of liquor
Truth: canteen facilities are not extended by the govt it’s a CSD organization which is similar to the kandrya bhandars and a separate entity in tis own not a part of defence forces and ia for all central govt department you all can also avail the facility please start canteens in your units and locations go and collect stores from CSD depots paying cash manage your stores well which are providing the services to the troops and please be honest do not cheat your own collogues you will be able to recover the 2500 as you have quoted and will then understand the falseness of this allegation please grow up and get your facts correct.
09. House 15000 Nil Nil Expected cost to Nation view entitlement of house to all Military Officers whereas, other CPO/Civilians have to wait in CPWD roster for first 15 years of service.
Truth: HRA is available to all central govt employees and at the same rate please take up a case with govt to make campuses for you all and build houses gove has authorized you all at the same scale. Please ask your top bosses to stand up for your rights like our chiefs have done and put up a statement of case to the govt so that campuses for you can be created and you all too can live in decent houses as we do post and telegraph railways and many other central govt organizations have it so why can’t you stand up for your rights and be a man stop cribbing because its you to blame its not the cost to company for Lt Cols alone you all too cost the company same as we do.
10. Free Furniture 2000 Nil Nil Expected cost of hiring furniture as entitled to defence officer
Truth: we pay rent for the lousy furniture provided by the and MES also pay rent of the house in which we live we pay electricity charges and water charges and also for nonexistent cracks in the basins and WC which even the previous occupant has paid for the replacement. Please try carrying a whole house every two year and to the places we are posted and if not please open a furniture rental shop outside the cantonments so that we can hire a complete set for 2000 and then claim it from the govt please do this yeoman service for the defenders of the nation you too will benefit from it.
11. Railway Discount 3000 Nil Nil All Defence Officers are authorised to avail 06 sets of Form-D to travel Home town
Truth: You have forgotten the warrants and the discount offered by the airlines do you know what form d entitles and who is offering this discount please check the facts and if you cant get hold of it please come back to us we will educate you. We will leave this point for further discussion because the channels for communication must be left open to educate the ill informed.
12. KMA 400 300 Nil
Truth: Just try maintaining 16 different kinds of uniform in 400 bucks and also please maintain the turnout as we do take pride in your uniform and maintain it the way we do and you will be asking for 2000 only as washing money.
13. Medical 2000 Nil Nil All Defence Officers get five star medical treatment at Military Hospitals, whereas, others have to struggle in Govt. hospitals along with the common public
Truth: please ask your troops who quite regularly come to us for treatment if they do not get the same five star treatment as our troops get. in field areas and please understand we keep our hospitals clean and treat our personnel as they are supposed to be treated the doctors are in uniform and scaling of the hospitals is based on bed strength as it is for all govt hospitals if we keep our equipment serviceable and provide a quality service to our men and officers you should be proud of it rather than cribbing about it if the govt hospital is supposed to provide you with the care and its not providing please take up the matter be a leader of your men and get them the required attention good policing will help in keeping the hospitals clean do not spit paan and litter the hospital and you will get the same five star facilities in the govt hospital . have you ever thought why Apollo and other corporate hospitals are clean and five star it’s the civic sense which is laking on likes of you who crib about an national asset and spread false information.
Mr singh you ramblings after these post will be replied in the subsequent post and a advice for you defense forces are a very good option for a young man or a women why don’t you motivate your children to join even girls can join as officers and will be given permanent commission as HC has observed and directed rather than cribbing an spreading false information and rambling dangerous statements please be honest and mature and mitivate your young ones to join the likes of us we assure we will take care of them and make good human beings and a patriots out of them
A serving LT Col/Cdr/Wg Cdr

Anonymous said...

Haven't seen a more useless, ill researched blog in a long long time. Should get a grammy for the worst kinds. Mr BP congrats. Prepare a speech on winning the same for ur fools paradise.

am said...

Dear Sir, if the article was written just to recieve the hits on your blog, I must say you must have achieved your aim.
But getting back to basics: Such an article from a learned person like you does not do any body any good. I do not know what is your enimity with your own brothers who are serving in armed forces.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr BP,
Shame to see a khalsa who is so ignorant of military affairs. Obviously your upbringing reeks of a severe inferiority complex which could be either due to your having not made it to the armed forces or being put in place by a young naval officer during your stint in the Coast Gaurd. Please redeem your honour and put up an apology/ for your oxymoronic views. You would do a great service to the millions from your faith for whom the armed forces are not only a profession but a religion.

Anonymous said...

My Dear BP,
It is a matter of serious concern that after this blog has been published how your department and in turn the Govt of India has not dismissed you from your rank of commandant being so poorly knowledged.I am suprised and now have an essential doubt about your selection.You are a failed example of your department and your DG should be ashamed of the contents of your blog.

You do not know the cost of ration which is less than Rs 30/-(Thirty Ruppees) a day and it is less than Rs900/-(nine hundred rupees)a month.And you just donot have an idea about 75% offrs are not having sahayak.There are so many things that you should have checked before giving such nonsence. Not only that your calculation are so badly done it also create a genuine doubt about your education that appears to be bought from some forged univerisity.

However,you should ask your DG to help you to get this expenditure state confirmed from the Finace Minister and the publish it.

Understood you frustated illiterate
Commandant of what so ever force you are with in?????

Anonymous said...

this bp bas**** has been successively posting information which is absolutely baseless. sala ch** ka dakkan. if u have balls post ur address and tele phone on this blog. u must be getting paid from pak army u mc, bc. no abuse can be strong enough to be equal to what u deserve. wait for some time. its ur day dog till the matter gets resolved.

Anonymous said...

BP
You are an A class example of a dimwit. How did you manage to get into a govt job in the first place? Kya classic a**hole hai yaar tu jo apni dhajjiyain udwaata hain aur tujhe sharam bhi nahin aati? apni chhoti si nau mein baithke doob kyon nhi jati?

Anonymous said...

Ek aur sardar paglon ki list mein shamil ho gaya bechara.

Anonymous said...

Oye bp singhji post karne ke pehle draft kisi padhe likhe aadmi se dikhwa liya karo.Kyon coast guard ki band bajba rahe ho.
A friend from CG.

B P SINGH said...

My dear Officers(Army/IN/AF),
Lot of doubts are raised by officers regarding' Cost to Nation'.All costs indicating in my article are cost to nation and not the market value of these perks .
1. Cost of ration will be certainly more than Rs 7500/- including cost of all Pay and Allowances of ASC which is meant for providing logistic support to Defence Services.
If quality of ration is not good can you blame anybody else,it is procured,stored,transported & delivered by Service officers and staff to service officers and establishment.
2. If quality of your Qtr is not good please pull up your brother officer who is sitting as GE in same rank LTCol.However cost to nation in providing that flat remains same as cost of running MES which builts and maintains these quarters is included in the cost to nation. Anyhow HRA is not included and if we take that then cost will go up.
3. No doubt that hard work put in by your Medical arm is keeping MH in top shape and I wish same energy and dedication is shown by Govt. hospital which treats the remaining Government officials.

4. CSD if still leaking material to others which are not authorised, than same is cause of concern and needs immediate investigation.
5. 100 units of electricity is free to all service officers and presently cost of 01 unit is definitely more than Rs. 5/-.
6. Sahayak though meant for providing help to officer but that does not dilutes the cost which will have this nation in providing you the same. I will not comment on the usuage of these sahayaks as done by married officer's of services. Quoting a wrong use of these sahayaks by CPOs / CPMF officers does not entitles Defence Officer a cleanliness in their image.
7. No where in my article I stated that these allowances are only applicable to LtCol but without doubt they are applicable to Ltcol also.
8. Let me clarify all Defence Officers that I am no SSB disqualified, I have cleared SSB for Airforce in 1981 and cleared CDS in 1982. However, due to my selection in present service which I considered then and still today best preferred to join. Even in my present service I was the top rank holder in the entire training and thereafter achieved all ranks till date in flying colours. I have also commanded 06 units in my existing service till date and that I consider no less achievement.
9. In my college days I topped my college in graduation and achieved national scholarship for Post Graduate studies.
10. Any how, at the cost of repetition I must explain that I am no enemy of our own country's defence forces, and how I can be. However, that does not give any right to the defence services to undermine any other service. How a Defence Officer feels when he is told that he is no where near to IAS or for that matter IPS. I would request all Service Officers to hold their horses and contradict or confront me with details and not with their emotions.
11. If the Six Pay Commission's since Independence have not agreed and all the Government of the nation at that time approved these Pay commissions, then the demand of the services needs rethinking.
12. Higher initial pay given to Defence officer in all the ranks till Brigadier is misconstrued by then as seniority in the rank but that was not to be. All these high initial basic pay and the rank pay was compensation to the difficult life of military. This is now stands converted into MSP and the basic pay corrected to the reqired level. This issue must be understood by all Defence Officers at the earliest.

Anonymous said...

I have cleared SSB for Airforce in 1981 and cleared CDS in 1982.

Sardar sach mein pagal ho gaya hai,pehle SSB clear karta hai phir CDS.
Iski Angreji to dekho!
Lekin himmat ki daad deni padegi,itne jutey padne ke baad bhi likhe ja raha hai.

Anonymous said...

"No where in my article I stated that these allowances are only applicable to LtCol but without doubt they are applicable to Ltcol also.

Let me clarify all Defence Officers that I am no SSB disqualified, I have cleared SSB for Airforce in 1981 and cleared CDS in 1982."

Kya angrezi hai sardar sahib! Thank your stars you are not in the services, you would't have gone beyond a Lt. Aur AF SSB NCC C certificate se aaya tha kya that you cleared CDS subsequently. Get your beans correct you are a shame to sardars. Please show some respect for the turban you are wearing and stop posting crap on the net.

Anonymous said...

bp singh, pl start marking ur time. the pb4 issue is being decided shortly and then u should disappear from the net. for if u stay here, u will get so thoroughly fu**ed that u will not know who is inside. pl remember the cheap popularity that u have been trying to earn for ur next promotion, has done more harm to u than any good. i am sure ur neighbours will do justice by throwing rotten eggs on u every morning. dog ur day is coming to en end.

Anonymous said...

sala apne aap apni taarif me laga hai. i thing i will open a blog and strat self praining and then for publicity will go to all popular blogs and leave a mgs there. u r such rat (ur sign) sardar.

B P SINGH said...

Anony@11:50AM
@3:11PM
@6:03PM
@6:07PM,
1. It is very easy for me to remove all four remarks,and not to reply.I am happy to see that only four officers resorted to this low language others are putting there view and fightingout on this blog with facts .
How officers are not aware that in 80's students with high academics percentage were called directly for SSB.Please check it up one should know about service one is serving in. That is the reasons why I cleared SSB first and cleared CDS next.
2. Dear young officers, half of which must be of my children age, try to learn to hear others view also.
I have given these details due to the fact that it was asked by you all and not for self glorification.

3. I alongwith my remaining country men believe that Defence Services should be suitably compensated, but now it appears to me that few of them does not deserve this. Demanding cost for wearing OG uniform and asking for compensation of the sacrifice done by their elders in the service does not suit to the image of our military forces.

SUKHI said...

BP Sir,
I feel you need not to reply these officers,these officers are not aware of or neither bothered of any body else. If they are not able to tolerate other 's view then Fauji should stop calling themself 'Officer and a genetle-man'

Sukhi said...

Dear BP,
Your problem seems to be that U have already decided to be against the Army and thus U are writing everything to justify Ur self.

Can we by any chance discuss what salary Ur Highness gets and what U do to justify it,other than writing blogs offcourse?
What does the Coast Guard cost to the nation? Do I need to add anything? Haven't the country seen enough on Media?Should we not completely do away with it?? It will save much more,I am sure.

Next,I think Ur knowledge about world affairs is obviously highly minimal. Unlike India,Japan is not surrounded by Rouge nations from all sides and importantly USA has been providing military cover to Japan since ages.

About cost cutting,if U can,please try cutting frivilous priviledges of Netas and IAS.I think U will not need to do anything else for improving financial condition of this country.Switzerland had given an open offer to Indian Govt very recently to divulge details of all Swiss Bank a/cs held by Indians but Govt does not want to seek any information.What in Ur esteemed opinion is the reason?

SUKHI said...

Dear All,
I have seen the reality in past few days and know now who is worth what.I withdraw my comment of Nov 24 and 28.I apologise and Bow in reverence to the Armed Forces of my country.I request BP Sir not to unnecessarily tarnish there image.THEY ARE THE BEST in this country.

NONA said...

BP boss,
I think you will do a favour to the people of this country if you pay more attention to your job(THE ELITE(?)COAST GUARD)than this fully faltu and deceitful blog of your's.
The entire nation knows how (in)competent you are.

Anonymous said...

you r a cmmdt na . I dont think even comdts deserve such a good pay.Think over your immediate junior rank C G OFFICERS.There is a huge difference in pay scales . While most of them have the same responsibility as yours .The remarkable difference in pay make them feel lowly socially and financially .It leads them towards frusteration . Dont try to speak BADE BADE BAAT just because you get a good pay accidentally . Dont think commts like you do great sacrifices for the nation .